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6 years ago April 5th 2010
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6 years ago April 13th 2010
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Thanks for raising this issue I have a lot of experience living and working in Mexico and I completely agree with you that the place is getting a bad rap I don't think there's a conspiracy that the international media "have it in" for Mexico but bad news sells How often do you ever hear good news on TV So when it comes to Mexico almost the only thing you ever hear about is the violence in the border towns
The truth is that the country as a whole is quite safe Ordinary common sense and a little advance planning will keep you out of trouble
This media-generated scare is really unfortunate Many parts of Mexico rely on tourist dollars.and here I'm not talking just about big hotels but countless numbers of ordinary men and women and their families who work in and around the tourist industry The other sad result is that the rest of us miss out on the soul-warming experience of getting to know the Mexican people
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6 years ago April 13th 2010
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Use caution when traveling This is what really happened at Ocho Tulum:
Ocho Tulum an idyllic 22-room boutique hotel on the coveted Tulum beach developed by Denver businessman Ken Wolf was illegally seized by armed Mexican state policemen on December 1 2009 with hotel guests and staff summarily marched out of the property and the facility barricaded
Without warning state agents wearing flak jackets and carrying automatic weapons brandished a spurious court order of de-possession flushed guests and workers from the Ocho Tulum (wwwochotulumcom) resort loaded the hotel furniture and accessories onto two waiting semis and secured the property with barbed wire
Ocho staff quickly found similar lodgings in Tulum for the displaced guests but staff and guests alike remain shocked and horrified by the experience of being escorted out of their upscale holiday retreat by storm troopers
Wolf subsequently discovered that Carlos Chico the husband of Ocho’s former attorney — who was fired for unethical practices — executed a phony lease on the Ocho Tulum resort between a corrupt and powerful Mexican family in the neighboring state of Monterrey the Garze Ponces as Landlord and Carlos Chico as the proposed tenant Chico never played any role in the development or management of Ocho Tulum The lease was drafted by the Garza-Ponces even though they never had possession of the land where Ocho is situated With this unauthorized document – notice of which was never presented to Ocho Tulum owners or management — the Garza- Ponzes went to a Mexican court and received an order of de-possession
Wolf states that the Garza-Ponces and the owners of a neighboring resort Ana Y Jose have spread rumors that the “taking” was due to the fact the owners of Ocho signed a lease with the Garza-Ponces and then stopped paying rent
“This is simply not true” says Wolf “No one associated with Ocho has ever been in contact with the Garza-Ponces There was never a lease with the Garza-Ponces Rent was never paid; in fact the Garza-Ponces have never attempted to contact anyone associated with Ocho regarding rent
“The Garza-Ponces never had any interest in collecting rent” Wolf asserts “They just wanted to find a way to try and steal the resort Unfortunately some Mexicans have the attitude that if they see something owned by foreigners that they would like to possess they try and figure out a way to steal it rather than purchasing it In this case the Garza-Ponces committed a fraud on the courts in Monterey”
To add insult to injury Wolf adds three days after the depossession the owners of Ana y Jose threw a party at the former Ocho restaurant with local Tulum officials including the Mayor of Tulum celebrating the depossession of American owners
Closed for a month the Ocho Tulum re-opened under the name S&S Hip Hotel and is being operated by the proprietors Ana y Jose
“The managers of Ana y Jose have obviously played a role in the taking of my resort” says Wolf “I would ask American tourists to boycott both properties – Ana y Jose and S&S Hip Hotel – not only as a show of support to a fellow American who’s being taken by unscrupulous Mexicans but also to insure as visitors to Tulum they won’t be abruptly displaced by armed guards”
Wolf adds that he is not calling for a boycott of Tulum just the two properties involved in the illegal seizure
He also warns that he wasn’t the first victim About 18 months before the seizure of Ocho Tulum another US citizen found himself in a similar situation On May 28 2008 US citizen John Kendall had his two Tulum hotels and three restaurants — Mezzanine La Zebra and La Pez – taken illegally That dispute is as yet unresolved and subject to a Mexican legal proceeding
“Tulum is a wonderful place; that’s why I invested a lot of my money time and passion there” says Wolf “There are several other fine Tulum hotels and resorts where people can discover the wonders of Tulum”
In the case of Ocho Tulum neither Wolf nor his attorneys Teresa Jimenez and Octavio Guitierrez (wwwattorneyscancuncom) received forewarning or notice of the impending de-possession Ms Jimenez reports that she was called to the site at the time of the seizure by hotel employees She arrived on site with documentation that the land is properly titled to Kaya’s Maya Resort with a lease allowing Ocho Tulum to operate its hotel restaurant spa and yoga center on the property The uniformed police were uninterested in the legal status
The team subsequently filed lawsuits in the Mexican federal court system on Dec 22—Case 1939/09 to be heard by Federal Judge Arturo Escobedo Ramirez in Quintana Roo
Word of the seizure spread via the Internet quickly
“I was stunned and amazed to witness the seizure We were helpless with no recourse Jobs were lost going into the holidays and our family is displaced Nothing about it is good for Tulum and the area in general” one Ocho employee who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution reported
“This is a scandal” says Wolf “Terrifying tourists and tossing American investors out of their private properties is an outrage and frankly contributes to the world view of Mexico as a country that is out of control”
In an attempt to intimidate the rightful owners of Ocho out of pursuing their rights to regain control of their resort the owners of Ana y Jose and the Garza-Ponces have filed criminal charges alleging that Ken Wolf attempted to retake the property on December 11 2009 Wolf asserts that on that date he was not in Mexico
Until this seizure Ocho Tulum ranked as one of the Top Two destinations on Trip Advisor for Tulum And the venerable “grey lady” The New York Times sent out particular praise to Ocho Tulum slightly less than four months before its abrupt forced closure To read The New York Times review of Ocho Tulum appearing August 9 2009:
http://travelnytimescom/travel/guides/north-america/mexico/yucatan-peninsula/tulum/45143/ocho-tulum/attraction-detailhtmlscp=3&sq=Tulum%20Ocho%20Tulum&st=tcseFor information on the illegal seizure of Ocho Tulum and the continuing legal struggle contact Teresa Jimenez and Octavio Guitierrez (wwwattorneyscancuncom) at
or Ken Wolf at
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Wow this is a really sensitive debate. I have been to Mexico many times specifically to Mexico City (one a year b/c I visit family members who live there) Cancun (beautiful location) all through Baja down to Cabo
I have personally experienced the following in Mexico City: Sitting at a restaurant patio and two gunmen entered I was with my cousin who speaks Spanish I do not Fortunately they weren't there to rob anyone but to get pay back on the security guard for thwarting their earlier efforts to rob someone After several heated minutes and thankfully no shots fired (I am a military veteran so thugs waving pistols doesn't really scare me just makes me a little feisty) the police sirens could be heard and the thugs ran away BUT here is the thing everyone of my family members who live in Mexico City have been robbed at gun point at some time EVERYONE and EVERYONE of their friends Mexico City can be VERY Dangerous I would say other cities around the world can be VERY dangerous too and they are but Mexico City is dangerous no matter who you are and where you are Look bad things can happen anywhere but when you have such a huge social class distinction things seem to be more defined,
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I would recommend using your common sense when visiting anywhere in the world don't trust strangers have fun but keep a keen sense of awareness For the most part Mexican people are terrific and like any country there are bad seeds The border towns do have massive problems with the drug trade and corruption my advise don't go to Tijuana or Juarez etc. Cancun and Cabo are nicer anyways
Just my two cents
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