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That you camp for $15 a night at the foot of more than 2, try the 5.Yes, In my kids’ lifetime? Or that two-thirds of the Everglades potentially could be underwater The last time that happened was hundreds of thousands of years ago So it really is kind of unbelievable One objective I have with the book is to make people more aware of this I hope the connection that people feel to their national parks will spur them to believe that society needs to do more
How do you talk to kids about climate change without being preachy or boringThere are times when kids aren’t interested in what you have to say and they tune it out I try to be sensitive to that and bring it up another time But kids are very curious and they also tend to be interested in what parents are interested in or talking about or doing when you’re not force-feeding it to them When they hear our conversations about it they want to get involved It seems like something that adults do At the same time on most of the trips we weren’t talking about climate change We were just enjoying the moment and the kids were really connecting with each of these places What they’ll take away from it is the close encounter we had with a mountain goat at Gunsight Pass or seeing the alligators in the Everglades On an intellectual level though they knew why we were out there and they connected that subject with those really deep visceral experiences I can’t imagine a better learning tool
What are the most urgent parks peope should visit first Glacier National Park has got to be on that list If the glaciers are going to disappear in the next 10 years what will they look like in five or seven years They’re going to be a lot smaller The data strongly suggests that there’s enormous impact throughout the ecosystem because glaciers have been great late-summer water sources in these valleys If you’re a fisherman and you want to fish the creeks it could be a really different experience
I was also stunned by what I heard from people who know a lot about the Sierra snow pack Within 20 years Yosemite will be a very different place The southern Sierra is very high so they’ll have freezing temperatures throughout winters for more years to come Northern Sierra near Yosemite has a lower elevation so there will be shorter winters up there and the precipitation will fall more frequently as rain instead of snow Spring run-off will be dialed back by weeks and Yosemite’s waterfalls will be peaking earlier
In the Everglades it’s more on a scale of decades but like a lot of our parks changes could happen abruptly but be unpredictable: enormous wildfires in Rocky Mountain National Park coastal storm surges in Olympic National Park and hundred-year floods in Mount Rainier National Park What had formerly been a day hike to the Carbon Glacier which is the lowest glacier in the Lower 48 in Rainier is now an overnight trip because the road washed out and will not reopen
Even for gonzo adventure parents backpacking with little ones seems totally insane because you have to carry so much stuff When is it realistic to do itWe backpacked with our son when he was a baby My wife carried him and I carried an awful pack We were hauling diapers in and out and pretty quickly figured out it sucked Once you have two kids it essentially becomes impossible Or if not impossible then not a huge amount of fun When it first really changed for us was when Alex was six and could walk for several miles through the mountains in a day That’s when you want to start when your youngest is five or six years old and has more stamina for walking Kids have no body fat—no reserves—so you have to stop every hour and stuff food in them and constantly remind them to drink
That makes car camping and river trips sound pretty appealing Yeah just trying to get out there with kids turns a lot of people off—it’s so much work especially when they’re little It’s not like it was before you had kids—when you could hike all day and come back to camp and make dinner and sit around and drink a beer It’s not like that at all But I’ve met so many people who say “We used to do that before we have kids but don’t any more” I’d lose my mind if I couldn’t get out there regularly
How do you manage risk when you’re traveling with kids in the backcountryThis is something I’m constantly wrestling with I try to follow some basic rules: I like to have a very good understanding of the situation I’m getting into because I’m going to have to make decisions I like to think about what’s my kids’ skill and emotional comfort level: Is this next thing you’re planning so far beyond what they’ve done that they’re going to be scared And then I explain to my kids what they’re going to be doing and ask if they’re comfortable with it
Backcountry bribery is big in our household What are your secret weapons on the trailWe try always to bring their stuffed animals One time our six year old had to climb 3000 feet on the first day of a trip in the Tetons—the biggest hike she’d ever done—and we told her she should leave her stuffed dog in the car That was the biggest error in judgment we ever made We also bring favorite candy bars and everybody gets one halfway through the day Penny and I also split up and each take a kid You have long conversations you don’t often have time for at home If it’s the end of the day and you’re trying to get to camp you start talking to them and all of a sudden they’ve forgotten they’re tired
I was impressed by how many different games you play while you’re hiking That takes some creativity Oh my God the numbers game [laughs] The one where you randomly have to guess the number the other person’s thinking Alex and I played it for two hours straight one day It’s brain numbing Penny ditched us because she knew if we caught up to her she’d have to play too
How do you keep the conversation about climate change going back at homeThey’re still kids so you have to repeat a lot of things I’m the one who goes around the house turning off lights I’ll say “There’s another dead salmon” because our powder is hydropower And now they’ll say that when someone else leaves a light on Also I’m always biking around town I try not to get in the car I try to drive that stuff home But they’re still kids It only goes so far
Are you noticing a generation gap in the backcountryYeah we need to be concerned as a society that our kids aren’t getting out enough because they will be the next advocates for protecting wild places I’m not seeing a lot of people in their 20s and 30s The outdoor industry needs to work harder to reach out to younger people who are more into electronics Still there are a lot of young people who are really active I have friends’ kids who are river guides and climbers Hopefully they’re carrying the torch
What’s your next big adventureI’m usually planning four or five trips at one time This summer we’re doing a nine-day hut trip in Jotunheimen National Park in Norway through the highest mountains in northern Europe It’s managed as a wilderness except that there are huts We’re also planning a trip to the White Mountains in New Hampshire We’ll do family day hikes and a friend and I are going to do 32-mile 10000-foot day hike on the Pemi [Pemigewassett] Loop
So that’s your other secret to taking kids into the backcountry: Going out aloneYeah my wife and I have been on the same page with that from the beginning We agreed that we would just take turns It means flying solo with childcare more often but it also means getting out and getting your fix when you need it It’s a good thing for people to do
Circling back to climate change Is there any reason to be hopefulResearching this book—and reading it—gets kind of heavy I interviewed a lot of people who felt despair about it: It’s been set in motion and it’s inevitable But others retain powerful optimism that our national parks can be the message bearers that will communicate to the public the importance of doing something It’s important to be optimistic for the sake of our kids
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